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08 Dec 2010 03:37 PM
    Questions.

    I don't know where to put this so I've added to this forum.

    What are the most common sinks used in concrete tops? Are there concrete sinks that are seperate from the tops, much like solid surface sinks. I know there are molds for concrete sinks avalable but how does the sink get married to the top. I always thought the most common sink in concrete was stainless steel or that the sink was poured as part of the overall top construction?

    What about cost. Concrete vs. solid surface, vs stainless.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    09 Dec 2010 12:53 AM
    Geez Rich, you already have the best products out on the market... are you wanting to set your sites on something else??
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    09 Dec 2010 12:50 PM
    Thank you Kelsey for the kind words.

    Actualkly more curious than setting my sights on something else. Trying to figure out the market.

    We believe we make the best sinks and bowls available and just want to know where else they could and can be used.

    Always trying to stay one step ahead.

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    09 Dec 2010 01:46 PM
    I don't really deal with concrete too much but every time I picture it in my mind it has a hammered copper sink or a sink that is cast with the top. In my opinion a solid surface sink wouldn't look 'rustic' enough.

    If I was mounting a solid surface sink to a concrete top I would grind the bottom of the concrete flat and either use blocks in the cabinet or the glue on sink mounting hardware, and then silicone the sink in.
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    09 Dec 2010 06:14 PM
    Brian,

    Thank you for your input and ideas.

    I'm trying to find out what sinks are most commonly used in concrete tops, and why.

    Almost everything I've seen appears to be stainless or other materials, vessel sinks in glass, copper, or formed from concrete. Just trying to ascertain how many concrete tops actually have a concrete sink either formed or added.

    How expensive are concret sinks vs other available sinks?

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    10 Dec 2010 04:52 PM
    We see Stainless and those Quartz sinks in the concrete tops along with the molded concrete sink.

    Solid Surface wouldn't lend itself well with concrete, just a different look in my opinion.

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    10 Dec 2010 06:03 PM
    Andy,

    Thank you for your input. I agree solid surface just wouldn't do it, functionally or looks wise.

    Which do you think is most prevelent stainless or molded concrete?

    How's the cost of a concrete sink vs a quartz, solid surface, stainless. $XX + 20%, $XXX+ 30%?

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    11 Dec 2010 04:06 PM
    Is ther anyone who pre-casts concrete sinks? I thought they were cast with the tops - but then again I have seen only a couple concrete tops in my area anyway.
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    15 Dec 2010 10:22 AM
    Richard,

    We don't do enough concrete for me to know. The concrete that I see is typically stainless steel because of the vast selection and the relatively low price.

    Solid surface is the ultimate sink/counter combo, but you have to be willing to accept the matte sink finish as opposed to the shinny with the stainless and cast iron.
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    15 Dec 2010 03:19 PM
    What , if any, would be the advantage of a pre-cast concrete sink? How would you attach it to the top?

    It's not like solid surface where you glue it up?

    Are there pre-cast concrete sinks available?

    Curious minds want to know.

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    15 Dec 2010 05:14 PM
    If the concrete had a flange, you could mount it like you do a cast iron. Either use the sink setters or you could use a wood frame.
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    15 Dec 2010 08:40 PM
    The only advantage to a pre-cast concrete sink that I can think of is that you could sell the sink separate to install in other products as well.
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    04 Jan 2011 05:00 PM
    Posted By Richard Magee on 15 Dec 2010 09:19 AM
    What , if any, would be the advantage of a pre-cast concrete sink? How would you attach it to the top?

    It's not like solid surface where you glue it up?

    Are there pre-cast concrete sinks available?

    Curious minds want to know.

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    Same questions - different day?

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    05 Jan 2011 09:33 AM
    Generally the concrete fabricators use stainless sinks their tops.  Kind of goes with modern look. 

    As for cast concrete sinks usually they are integrated into the top as a whole.  Don't really know of any concrete sinks that are sold separately.

    My good friend owns www.goredesignco.com I used to do a lot of installs for Brandon back in the day before he moved into just strictly design and fab of custom sinks and training, and I moved into luxury home building.  I still remember the first concrete kitchen he and I installed together.  It was in a prominent architects home and neither one of us really knew what the heck we were doing.  Stay cool and fake it till you make it:) Turned out great!

    All of the sinks were installed just as you would on a quartz or granite top. 

    The real trend in concrete is an integral sink in the vanities and stainless in the kitchens.  However a black gemstone sink or a grey one, like the ones Blanco makes, could be a good fit in bathroom vanities.  Those could be prone to show a ton of wear though:(

    Of course a bright white SS sink on a white GFRC top could be a good combination in a commercial vanity application.
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    05 Jan 2011 04:25 PM
    Sam,

    Thank you for your input and reply.

    This is turning out to be an interesting research project. It would appear that almost all concrete jobs have the sink cast in at the same time the top is made  or use a stainless steel or hammered copper sink, and that the only real possibilities for a molded precast concrete sink would be for the E-stone (Quartz) and / or granite top fabricators.

    I'd really like to hear from some of you fabnetters who are doing the two aforementioned surfaces as to what you preffer for your Quartz or Granite tops and whether or not the availability of a concrete sink would be benificial.

    Still looking for answers.

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    07 Jan 2011 04:39 PM
    I would use Stainless in those applications not concrete. Stainless has tons of options and is accepted by consumers.
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    10 Jan 2011 03:55 AM
    We've used pretty much most types of typical drop in and undermount sinks with our concrete counter tops. Undermount sinks are fastened to the underside of the concrete tops via mechanical fasteners, adhesives, or peripheral sink mounting devices.  We've also seen independent precast concrete sinks attached to the underside of concrete counters though it's just as easy or easier to cast the sink as an integral element.

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    10 Jan 2011 09:19 PM
    Mr. Bustin,

    Thank you for your reply and information. I visited your website and found it very informative. As Jon@Sterling seems to be on the cutting edge of solid surface, Meld seems to be the cutting edge of Concrete.

    I did not see any "stand alone" sinks or bowls on your sight, do you not make them or is each one custom and cast into the top?

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    11 Jan 2011 01:36 AM
    Hello Mr. Magee.

    Thank you for the kind words.  We like to consider ourselves leaders in the industry.  Meld is a design -focused custom manufacturer of eco-sensitive concrete products and materials. We specialize in commercial and OEM projects with an emphasis on product design and volume.  Over the past decade we have cast several hundred sinks.  All have been made to order.  We are actually getting ready to launch 4-5 new shallow sink designs.  The sinks will be offered as both integral and counter mounted vessels.  We have the ability and capacity to create and manufacture any sink design at any volume.  For one-offs we typically model the sinks in 3D and cut the sink mold parts via CNC.  Depending on how many units are cast we can make the mold parts out of anything from coated EPS and MDF to urethane rubber, fiberglass and thermoformed plastic.  It's just a matter of volume and life expectancy of the molds.  Feel free to contact me anytime with any questions.
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