Kelsey:

If your theory holds true, that the bad economy creates more crime, shouldn't the inverse be true? Shouldn't you have experienced a drop in crime in your area as the economy continued to improve from 2004-2005?

In 2004, in Cauldwell County, Kentucky, there were no assaults, six burglaries, nine thefts and three car thefts. In 2005, there were six assaults, sixteen burglaries, twenty-three thefts and five auto thefts. 

More here.
 
If your recent noting of local crime rising is caused by the poor economy and makes me from another planet, how do you explain away the increase in crime when times were getting better?

Joe

Posted By Wags on 12 Apr 2010 01:05 AM
Joe

The problem with government stats ( even IF we believe them) is by the time they are published they are outdated. Its like looking at sales from 5 years ago, and saying, hey things are good look at how much we did in 2005...it means nothing.

Here is an article published TODAY....by that flaming right wing organization known as the New York Times..  You can find stories like this in many cities in this country.. sadly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/12/n...olice.html

This thread was showing what is happening now... not in the past.  If you don't feel were in dangerous times, and that the future MAY be even more dangerous, that's your right.. and God knows I HOPE your 100% correct.  But in peoples' guts, we know something is not right. Something is happening thats not good for this country, and while we may not be able to pin point what it is, more and more are feeling that way.

On a totally different subject.....

I did some studing over the last few weeks, in regards to our founding fathers and how they felt about religion.  Perhaps we should start a thread about that.  What they said, how they acted may actually blow you away.  Taking history, (not the revised history they teach now) and doing a little research is a real awaking.  I went to school in the 50's and 60's, and while its been a while, I thought I remembered what/how I was taught was not what I have been reading. 

But that is for another discussion. 

Read the story in the link above.. its current and MAY be a prediction of what is happening or about to happen.

I would also suggest you challenge your professors.. I'll be happy to help you research subjects :)

Joe..

Your right.. anarchy could never happen in America. Were much to civil to ever have what happens in other countries, happen here.  There is a zero chance of anything bad happening in the United States. 

But "What if"... IF things do breakdown.. what happens then?  Isn't it, perhaps, just maybe, best to at least "Think" about what you would do.. how you would handle the situation? 

But, naw.. can't happen here..Not in America..never..nope.. things are great.. getting better every day..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZTP..._embedded#

Lenny:

Yes, I read my own citations before making them. Rather than accuse you of "cherry picking" as others are wont to do, I'll just say that my cites show balance and context, things often sorely lacking here.

If you've got ANY long-term documentation that crime is up, please post.

Joe

Randy:

Excuse me for not welcoming you to the fabnet. I loved your youtube link; however, I have some bad news.

You are revealing yourself to be an optimist. That is nearly forbidden here. As far as I can tell I'm the only other one. If you don't believe Barak Obama is the Antichrist and is responsible for everything from crime to why your old lady doesn't put out like she used to, you are Satan's spawn here.

Welcome to the club. I knew there was another one.

Joe

Posted By Lenny E on 12 Apr 2010 09:21 PM
Joe,

If by balanced you mean…opps over half the data you cited is MIA, and the data itself comes with a caveat saying “Consequently, these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents.”

Then yeah Joe, that sure seems balanced to me.

As for cherry picking, your contrite response addresses niether the missing incomplete data you have quoted repeatedly nor the caveat not to use it for any conclusions.

Heres a basket......pick those cherrys Joe. Maybe you can make us all a smoothie to go with the Kool Aid you are serving.

Posted By Kowboy on 12 Apr 2010 09:06 PM

Lenny:

If you've got ANY long-term documentation that crime is up, please post.

Joe

The subject of this thread, is Crime, we haven't seen anything yet.  I am not saying crime has not been going down, at least the reports do say that. What is being discussed is that in the recent past.. currently, we see some uptick in crime.  Of course there are no "Long term " reports of crime rising.. were talking the begining of POSSIBLY a rise in crime. Were seeing the "Green shoots" of crime all across the country.. as even the New York Times reported.. and

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news...51&catid=3

Stands to reason that with police being cut,  and people desparate were going to see a rise in crime. Here in Az were seeing a spike along the boarder due to the crime in the narco state of Mexico.  A week ago, a rancher, known for ASSISTING illegals with water etc, was shot down on his own land. They followed the foot prints to Mexico.  This is not an isolated situation.


http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...aying.html

Perhaps this will continue.. perhaps it's only a minor blip.... Sticking your head in the sand and deny that what is currently happening, isn't, won't make it so.

Wags:

Here's one for your new thread on Church/State separation:

""The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." - Thomas Jefferson


Joe