http://www.kascostone.com/toppolishing.wmv

step by step pictorial
http://stoneadvice.com/forum/viewto...ch+removal

i also typed in face polishing granite on you tube and surface polishing granite as well and about half a dozen videos showed up

This is what you are bringing me?
Come on man. Bring me some thing I can not find a flaw in.
If this is all that you want in a how to video I can see why you do not want any more.

your missing the point the internet is littered wit this stuff its every where if you just look. my point is simple what makes yours the best way to do it just the simple fact that its your way? i'm more than sure that any one who has taken your class probably go's back home and tweaks what ever you told them so it works for them.

there are many different ways to resurface stone or get stains out hell there is about 100 different ways to make a poultice for drawing a stain out of the stone. there are probably about 100 different kinds of polishing compounds and powders. there are about 1000 different brands of polishing pads and for all of the pads and powders there are probably 100,000 different ways and combinations that work just as well as any thing you are doing so again i say what exactly is it that is so off he wall special about what ever it is you are doing? what makes your way the be all to end all in re surfacing?

i had the pleasure of surface polishing the entire face of a piece of granite today 30" x 80" it took about an hour and 15 min start to finish. i had to start at 100 grit i used my method and i'm happy with it that being said i don't think i have ever meat two people that do a surface Polish exactly the same way but the end results are excellent always exceeding the factory finish.

i would love to see some more videos feel free to make as many as you want im sure there are many, many people out there that will pick them apart and find flaws in them i will and ill be rite just like every one else. because its not my way of doing it. people pick my methods apart and thats fine because i understand they have there way and there is more than one way to skin a cat.

thats the beautiful thing about a craftsman they each have there own specific way of doing things.. i ran a 50 man shop for years if you were not fast, efficient, accurate, and quality minded you were out the door as fast as you cam in. i have trained literally 100's of people. the best craftsman had there way and i could never argue with the results i said before im a skeptic its just who i am. ill never believe that there is one way that is the best. there is always someone faster, smarter, better. all i know is what ever it is im doing is working we went on our own 2 years ago at the start of this crazy recession and we have had constant growth while others are dropping like fly's. maybe its my reputation? may be its my quality of work? maybe its the fact that we have had 1 call back i 2 years and that was because the house settled and the splash separated from the top. i don't know what it is. but i do know i'm not the best. i do know i have plenty to learn. im far from a master stone worker you can probably count the # of masters in the world on 2 hands.

Hey politefab, what do you know of our class or what have you heard?
If you look at our promo you may notice that most of what you said above is addressed.

We do not have a system to teach you, we give you a foundation and than we help you hone your skills in the class and once you payed for the first class you are welcome to come back to class for free, lets not forget the private forums where we help you even more after the class.

Before you attempt to pick it a part, find out what it is that we do. These videos will be an extension of the class.

now im getting some where. your selling a class that teaches a foundation to something that has no specific or set process. as long as the end results are excellent.

so if i were to go to your class what would i be paying for that i cant get for free if i just spend a little time looking into it and getting out there and practicing. any one can get a solid foundation with a little research. the only thing i would be paying for is your opinion on how it should be done so i ask what makes your opinion so much better than what i can get for free. i have never paid for a class and ill put my work up agenst any thing out there.

i have never charged for a class and i have given several my self. what is it you offer that sets you apart. any one who wants to learn how to top polish can stop by the shop and ill give you a class for free. ill show you how to remove a stain, fix a broken corner, fill a pit, cleaning and sealing, fabrication questions, what ever just buy me dinner after so we can shoot the breeze and if you have any more questions you can call me on my cell or hit me up on this forum or the SFA. im not just throwing that out there i have always been like that. and i know a lot of people that are the same way. so again what do you offer that sets you apart.

are you part of the SFA? If so that explain a lot.
Like I said in my intro, I am not here to push a class but if you want to see why us, look here.

Am I wrong to take what you said above as a challenge? Why not put you work up against my work. You tell me how we make it happen and I will be there. Coverings is coming up, we can have an old fashion show down.

i wont be at coverings the only show i go to is expo i take my wife and make it into a vacation of sorts.

the funny thing is i knew what was coming from the moment you introduced your self. sales men are easy to spot you always seam to be in this mode where you feel the need to sell who you are. there is nothing wrong with that i understand it your class means $$$$ for you and i fault no man for finding a nitch good luck with it. ill be at expo and my door is always open. i also have some of my work posted on here i will have some more posted maybe today.

yes i am a member of the SFA a very proud member just like i am a proud member of the fabricators network
i think a lot of people like you have a problem with the SFA because we offer for free what you feel the need to charge for. i understand that it affects your income so it makes you angry. you still haven't answered what it is that makes your class worth the price? what is it you offer that i cant get for free other than your opinion? and what makes your opinion worth paying for?

Hold up, first off I have no problem with the SFA, I do have a problem with one and only member of the SFA.
I gave you a link to see why our foundation is the best and why you should take our class and only our class.
As for getting into my pockets, if you took the time to find out about me, you would not call me a sales man or believe that the classes is some thing that pay my bills. The class help out the NSRA and what it is that we do.

Ok guys, this may have some entertainment value, but I believe you are at an impasse. The purpose of the Fabnet is to share useful information between professionals, and to inject humor once in awhile to alleviate the stresses of day to day responsibilities.

I see neither coming from this thread, what I see coming is being forced to ban one or both members that I consider a valuable asset to this forum. Let's move on. 

Has anyone else noticed that the "I'm better, smarter, more experienced than you are" is always about granite. 

I have yet to hear anything close to that when discussing solid surface.

Perhaps too much exposure to radon inflates the ego (or something). 


Linda

i guess i have just had a bad week there is a lot going on over here. and sometimes venting manifests its self in different ways.

i never calmed to be smarter or better than any one i believe in one of my posts i said i am far from a master when it come to stone there is always some one smarter faster and better. i have twice the experience in the solid surface industry as i do in the stone industry and i am constantly learning and sharing. im all about the growth and betterment of the entire counter top industry in all aspects.

i feel that all theses classes that are popping up are just a way for some of us experienced fabricators to make a buck off of the newbes that are trying to get into this business. i have herd from many people that have taken classes similar to this say a year down the road if i knew then what i knew now i would have never taken that class. because they realize the information they got was available at no cost at all. i have see an increases in these types of classes now that the economy is bad i think it is just another way to pass on basic information and make a quick buck. by taking advantage on those that just dont know better.

im constantly learning the second you think you know it all is the second you need to retire from any profession. i have said it before and ill say it again my door is always open if i have something you would like to use or learn just come and see me ill be more than happy to share. and i am sure i will learn something from you as well. i just wish more people had the same out look. there are no big secrets in this industry.

the only thing that sets us apart is our willingness to learn and better our selves witch directly affects the quality and accuracy of ow work witch affects our business and our industry

Posted By politefab on 01 Feb 2009 01:06 PM 
i have said it before and ill say it again my door is always open if i have something you would like to use or learn just come and see me ill be more than happy to share. and i am sure i will learn something from you as well. i just wish more people had the same out look. there are no big secrets in this industry. 

Eli:

Thanks for the invitation, I haven't been to Maine in twenty years or so. I'd like to make it back. I remember the lack of light pollution at night made the stars and shooting stars much more visible. It was amazing.

I would agree that all these classes are a way for experienced fabricators to make a buck, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Trial and error is tuition also. The marketplace will determine if these services are useful or not, not you or me.

Joe

im in delaware not main stop by any time just let me know

OK, I have read this thread and here is my take.  If someone wants to make a video on how to do something I am all for it.  If they want to charge for it, more power to them and best of luck to you.

If I have to pay, It better be good cause I will probably rate it here on the FabNet.  If it is free, you have much more leaway, cause it is free and you are just sharing your ideas.

We all appreciate the great pictures and post about valuable information.  I actually got something out of this discussion, hearing from two differing perspectives.