Josveek Huligar
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| 26 Jan 2009 02:25 AM |
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Ok guys, seen that most of you are starting out in the repair of natural stone. If you were offered 10 free how dvd on natural stone repair, what 10 topics would you want?
Yes I how most people can not learn from a dvd or book, but these dvd would go more into detail as possible to give you a great idea what can be done and how to do it.
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Karl Crooks
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| 26 Jan 2009 03:48 AM |
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Intresting.... Well how about this.... You know way more about this than most of us, so why not have them be on the 10 most commen problems that you see in the feild ?
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Chris Yaughn
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| 26 Jan 2009 03:51 AM |
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chip repair
ennhancing edges to match resined tops
top polishing
material handling on the jobsite
dropping cooktop cutouts
pulling seams
breaking seams
No particular order just random quicki thoughts from our learning curve.
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| 26 Jan 2009 04:15 AM |
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- Scratches
- Chips
- Popped seams
- Material Handling
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Josveek Huligar
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| 26 Jan 2009 06:39 PM |
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Karl Crooks stone do not have common problems and I am never the first person to be call on the job site so all the stuff that I deal with most people would call advance.
Dropping cooktop cutouts, and Material Handling is more for the fab guys.
What do you all mean by Popped seams, and pulling seams?
This is what I have from you all so far:
chip repair
Scratches
Color correction
polishing
seam repair (less noticeable seams)
I am also going to add
Honing
customizing stone
etch removal
pit and fissure repair
Texture alterations
Sealing
Can you all think of anymore?
So far this is all about counter tops, do you all care about floors?
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Karl Crooks
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| 26 Jan 2009 07:34 PM |
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Posted By JOH on 26 Jan 2009 01:39 PM
Karl Crooks stone do not have common problems and I am never the first person to be call on the job site so all the stuff that I deal with most people would call advance.
Dropping cooktop cutouts, and Material Handling is more for the fab guys.
What do you all mean by Popped seams, and pulling seams?
This is what I have from you all so far:
chip repair
Scratches
Color correction
polishing
seam repair (less noticeable seams)
I am also going to add
Honing
customizing stone
etch removal
pit and fissure repair
Texture alterations
Sealing
Can you all think of anymore?
So far this is all about counter tops, do you all care about floors?
JOH if you track the problems that you work on for a few years you will see that every thing has common problems. But I'm sure you know that  - Popped seams would be when a seam comes ungluded and splits open. - Pulling seams - This maybe durring install ? Maybe this could be a good start for a list of common Repair Types for Stone, in no real order.
- chip repair / pit and fissure repair
- ennhancing edges to match resined tops (Its this Color correction?)
- top polishing (small and large areas)
- breaking seams / Popped seams
- Scratches
- Reworking uneven edges
- Stain Removal (Maybe just the most common stains ?)
- Cracked and Broken top repairs
- Cook top and Sink cut out modifications
- etch removal
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Josveek Huligar
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| 26 Jan 2009 09:04 PM |
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Ok, we are not limited to 10 so if you all have any more just post them here.
We start shooting on 2/6/09 so you all have till 2/4/09 to to come up with a good list.
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| 26 Jan 2009 10:41 PM |
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Posted By JOH on 26 Jan 2009 04:04 PM
Ok, we are not limited to 10 so if you all have any more just post them here.
We start shooting on 2/6/09 so you all have till 2/4/09 to to come up with a good list.
JOH, if you really want input (really cool that you even asked so far) then make the first one, throw it up here for us all to see and tell ya what we think about it before you make the rest of them. We have done a bit of this with photo docs and video, I'll tell ya its hard to get the message you want across to those who dont have as much experience. Just the fact that you even want our input and are going to make the videos is really great ! Thanks |
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| 26 Jan 2009 11:12 PM |
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I wanna see someone get a 55x 96 slab which weighs 625lbs up stairs to the Island cabinet...cant have seams...one slab and it doesnt fit in the elevator...Hurry up I gotta do it thursday....talk about pressure  ... |
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| 27 Jan 2009 01:00 AM |
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Gene, go to Lifestyles Fitness tonight and pick out five guys whose arms don't touch their sides and offer them a substantial gift certificate to the Wing House.  |
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| 27 Jan 2009 04:05 AM |
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No sweat. W/ 4 guys it is only 150lbs per. Gotta have carry clamps front and back and two guys on a sling in the middle. With 6 guys it is a piece of cake. MAke sure the guys in the middle understand they are not to try and balance the piece at ALL. You and your best guy on the ends w. the clamps handle that.
Bigger challenge is will it make the turn at the top of the death spiral staircase.... |
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Josveek Huligar
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| 27 Jan 2009 04:13 AM |
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Karl Crooks, I would do that but all of this will take place at the class so I will not have a chance to edit and upload for you all to pick it apart so i can re shoot it. What I wanted to do is make sure I touch on all the topics and have the raw footage and than let you guys pick it apart.
As for getting a 55x 96 slab which weighs 625lbs up stairs to the Island cabinet, you guys are crazy. This is the reason I do restoration. The home owner will call me in to remove any damage that may have been cause when you all attempt this task. |
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Karl Crooks
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| 27 Jan 2009 02:51 PM |
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Posted By JOH on 26 Jan 2009 11:13 PM
Karl Crooks, I would do that but all of this will take place at the class so I will not have a chance to edit and upload for you all to pick it apart so i can re shoot it. What I wanted to do is make sure I touch on all the topics and have the raw footage and than let you guys pick it apart.
LOL hye we'll take what we can get ! Where and when is the class and what topics will be covered at the class? |
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Josveek Huligar
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| 27 Jan 2009 03:48 PM |
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Karl Crooks I would love to tell you about the class but I do not know if I would be stepping on any toes or even if it is allowed on the forum are in this room. |
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| 27 Jan 2009 04:00 PM |
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OK, in hindsight that was a lot easier to type than actually lugging that thing up the stairs We would get it done, but it might ne a little harder than I made it sound  Any chance of craning it to an upstairs deck or something? |
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Eli Polite
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| 27 Jan 2009 10:33 PM |
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my opinion on this is simple . making more videos is kin of like beating a dead horse.
ill try to explain my self. there are literally hundreds of videos and pictorials of how to out there. do we rely need another set of videos out there that are basically this is how i do it. if you guys need videos ill post up as many as you can watch. each one is as good as the last.
im all about free information and there is a lot of it out there the best information you will find in the stone industry is found at the SFA (sorry for the plug) in my opinion the best way to fix stuff is to not damage it in the first place. there are countless hours spent in the stone industry on showing and teaching people how to fix scratches, chips, breaks, metal marks and other mistakes my thought is spend that time preventing things like this from happening.
to eliminate scratching put speaker carpet on the bottom of all your routers and other hand tools that come in contact with the surface of the stone. clean the stone off often during the fabrication process. you will eliminate 99% of your scratches in the shop. saving hours of repair time. there are other small things as well like not using the aprons that your pads stick to . a 50 grit pad stuck to your apron can cause a scratch easier than anything. as well as how you stack your finished material in the shop. and when it comes to home owners dont just hand them a paper explaining. verbally explain it to them
in two years i have only had 1 call back thats a real number every one in this room can create a shop that has one or 2 call backs a year. cutting edge in this industry is no longer knowing how to top polish and repair cracks it has moved beyond that it has become common knowledge to any one that has been in it for at least a year. the new cutting edge is no call backs and impeccable work without having to polish out scratches that should have never happened in the first place i guess waht i am slowly getting at is all of the time spent on making duplicates of videos that are already duplicated 20 times over spend that time on helping to actually move this industry forward.
-things like shop flow you can save hundreds of hours a year by simply moving a few things around in the shop. thats money earned.
-material handling
-importing stone on your own can save you up to 50%on raw material. thats money in your pocket.
-diversifying your shop. because we fab it all natural stone being the majority at this point i dont turn money away if you want engineered stone, solidsurface, green, wood, laminate marble,or any other material you can think of ill fab it for you it makes us the one stop shop.
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Karl Crooks
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| 27 Jan 2009 11:14 PM |
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politefab all great points, I ran a shop for many years so I agree with you 100% !!!!!
But I am thinking that this is still good info for all fo us stone newbe's and for a few years after the install when issues start to show up.
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Josveek Huligar
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| 27 Jan 2009 11:45 PM |
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removal of metal marks, that is a great one.
politefab, first thing first, you made some great points up above but for some reason I think you fail to understand what it is that we do.
We do not sell stone
We do not install stone
We do not fabricate
All the points that you made does not have anything to do with what we do seen that all of our work is post installation. Are you starting to understand?
People like me and other members of the NSRA is here for the oops factor.
We are the ones that go into the hoes after its been install for over five years. most of the people that make the counters or install them have no clue what we deal with since they already move on to the next job.
What will you do if a rock bounce on the road and nick your stone on your trailer?
What about the plumber that drags is tool kit on you perfect job?
I would like for you to post videos that deal with post install issues and the customizing of stone.
What will you all do when you all are installing an island but the other counter tops are dull, chip and the seams look like crap? Will you allow that crap to sit next to your perfect work? Why leave money on the counter when you can pull out your tools and make almost as much if not more than the job you just install? Fab guys can install once, restoration guys can go back every two years and walk away with real money and work a whole lot less.
politefab I do not get you and I would rely like to under stand you. My question was what would you like to see, if you did not want to see any thing why post? Do not get me wrong, I enjoy this and it will make me come back to this site over and over again just to see what you say next. |
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Eli Polite
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| 28 Jan 2009 12:44 AM |
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its hard to tell in a forum where you type your response the tone of the conversation. i am not trying to be a hard ass. sometimes i come off that way but it is not the case. that being said .....
i do my share of restoration work i fix stuff like plumbers dragging there heavy tool box as well as fixing work that was just poorly done in the first place im also a the silestone repair person for my area i have had a few of those in the last few years.i get my share of natural stone repair jobs as well. the last job was a calcutta gold job that had been installed many years ago it took several days to remove stains top polish and re seal with stt fe sealer. not all of my points were directed to you they were just general statements. |
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Josveek Huligar
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| 28 Jan 2009 03:50 AM |
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see, that is where the miss understanding on behalf began. I am the one that started this post under the topic of free how to videos which was very direct.
''Ok guys, seen that most of you are starting out in the repair of natural stone. If you were offered 10 free how dvd on natural stone repair, what 10 topics would you want?
Yes I how most people can not learn from a dvd or book, but these dvd would go more into detail as possible to give you a great idea what can be done and how to do it."
when you made your general statements it did not come off as general, well not to me that is but that is why we called it a miss under standing. Now that we have that cleared up, I would still like to see what videos you found on the net on this topic from a restoration stand point. I would also like to know if you would like any more topics added to the list and if not for you for some one else that may not be as experience as you? |
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