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27 Aug 2008 09:28 PM
    I have seen a few seams recently and it starts about two inches from corner than runs back into the miter in the corner...its like a puzzle peice

    is that to keep it stronger...can I just seam it up like i useta do those laminated post form tops?

    maybe that was someone being fancy???
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    27 Aug 2008 09:40 PM
    Gene, what kind of material are we talking about? If it's laminate, then you are referring to what is called a European miter, I believe. The main reason we would do this on a laminate blank (postform style, usually) is if the two decks are different widths. It's one way to make sure they start and stop at the correct places. A 45 degree miter would not work in that scenario.
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    27 Aug 2008 10:00 PM
    We have seen those for years, some call them a Dog Leg Miter. Often we see Quartz tops installed like this.
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    27 Aug 2008 10:46 PM
    The dogleg miter is so that you can run the edge profile straight through.  Plus you save lots of material not doing a full miter.
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    27 Aug 2008 10:47 PM
    Dog leg miter..thats the name of that?? but why do they do that ? it looks like more work and risky of break off
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    27 Aug 2008 10:49 PM

    Andy, so it has nothing to do with strengthening or leveling the seam..its just basically to save on material and the inside corner can have a radius?

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    27 Aug 2008 11:49 PM
    Same reason you don't do a 90 inside corner on a Solid Surface counter. And why you don't see square windows on an Airplane, or boat. Stress. All stress from an "L" shaped counter will transfer to the corner. Hence in SS most mfg require seams be at least 3" from the corner.

    Also it does save on material. We do miters seams only on granite with movement, where a butt seam would not look good.  Your doubling the amount of material in a corner when you do this.
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    27 Aug 2008 11:50 PM

    Not only do you save material, but the seam length is shorter than a full mitre.

    I insist on this "European seam" to my estone fabricators on all my estone jobs.

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    28 Aug 2008 04:23 AM

    We call them Euro Mitres. They help on yeilds (especially on ES) and kinda trick the eye.  Atleast when people are looking for a normal mitre.

     

    The only problem I have w/ them is. sometimes the front edge is a pain to level b/c the Gorilla Grips can't be used to finess the small section of the seam.

     

     

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    28 Aug 2008 05:15 AM
    Posted By Gene McDonald on 08/27/2008 5:49 PM

    Andy, so it has nothing to do with strengthening or leveling the seam..its just basically to save on material and the inside corner can have a radius?


    You could put a radius on the inside corner, but it will be a big one.  Most stone edge profile cutting tools are bigger diameter than solid surface tooling.
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    02 Oct 2008 03:38 PM
    i have a miter lock / euro seam template that i sell i will be giving a demonstration in vegas at expo i sell my template for $160 shiped and it gives you as close to a perfect seam as you will ever get with stone hope to see you in vegas
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    02 Oct 2008 05:16 PM
    Posted By politefab on 10/02/2008 10:38 AM
    i have a miter lock / euro seam template that i sell i will be giving a demonstration in vegas at expo i sell my template for $160 shiped and it gives you as close to a perfect seam as you will ever get with stone hope to see you in vegas

    Politefab what demos are you doing in Vagas? Do you have a web site that offer your products for sale ?
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    02 Oct 2008 10:04 PM
    at the sfa booth at 10 am on the 16th and 17th i will be doing 2 demonstrations each day the first is manually making sink templates for under-mount sinks and the second demonstration is my miter lock template and how to use it are you going to the expo if not i can post pics on how to use it and what it looks like
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    03 Oct 2008 03:33 AM
    Posted By politefab on 10/02/2008 5:04 PM
    Are you going to the expo if not i can post pics on how to use it and what it looks like
    I dont think that I will make it this year I'm oddly busy, posting the pics would be great. Thanks

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    06 Oct 2008 03:05 PM
    it the process is done rite it gives a near perfect seam Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket
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    06 Oct 2008 03:24 PM
     Politefab thanks for the photos !

    I really like the radius in the corner, as a company that specializes in repair, we have seen many cracks start at that corner. The radius in the corner should help to eliminate cracking at that point. It looks like you have a great system there !
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    06 Oct 2008 03:31 PM
    its been well thought out having a background in solid surface has help in a lot of my methods. if you want one let me know



    i cut it close and than back bevel the bottom side if the seam and go over it with a 100 grit z bit to remove all the chips and give me a near perfect seam
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    06 Oct 2008 03:32 PM
    i have sold quite a few already and will be demonstrating it at expo in vegas
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    07 Oct 2008 10:39 PM

    Very cool Eli  !!!

    I actually have a variant of the same thing that I am rolling out for students that come to the AZ School of Rock...

    Are you making the jig out of an HDPE product or some other kind of plastic?

    Very Nice!!!!

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    08 Oct 2008 02:39 AM
    100% solid surface http://thefabricatornetwork.com/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/fabnet/emoticons/biggrin.gif i have sold many of them and get many requests i have had a great response. if it is used correctly it will last for ever i have been using the same one for over a year now with great results
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