Andy Graves
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| 19 Oct 2007 08:24 PM |
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Can anyone suggest a good silicone for granite? Don't want it to bleed into the stone and cause a staining issue. |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 19 Oct 2007 08:56 PM |
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Andy, I may be a little confused as to your question but Axiom markets their product for stone tops. Granite guy also uses 100% RTV clear silicone and they also use siliconized acrylic caulk (DAP) which comes in many colors although not translucent. We've never seen a staining problem. However, if you smear the silicone on the stone top it's easily taken off with DSR-5. |
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Norm Walters
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| 19 Oct 2007 10:12 PM |
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Dave, doesn't Axiom emit Acetic Acid when it cures? This may be harmful to some "granites" |
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Gene McDonald
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| 19 Oct 2007 10:21 PM |
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And another thing is that for sealed granite or the unsealed? can you seal after the silicone?...when you reseal granite do you hafta remove the old silicone line? Curious? would like to know, i might want to take care of a couple of granite reseal jobs if it basically is like brushing on shellac and letting it soak into the pores over night and coming back to get the check in the morning.... is there more to it than that?, i know new granite procedures but what about this resealing method every six months from the cheap sealer stuff the hacks have been using????? |
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| 19 Oct 2007 10:25 PM |
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Norm, I will ask the King of Axiom that question. Have not seen any problem with guys who use it although I will tell you that they are more inclined to use a $1.50 to $3.00 product (Clear Sil & DAP)
Clear, 100% silicone is the vast majority of what granite guys buy from us. DAP in colors is second especially Black, Cedar/Tan, Brown and Almond. |
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Andy Graves
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| 20 Oct 2007 01:09 AM |
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I was told not to use 100% silicone on some granites because it will leave a dark stain near the silicone. The same thing happens with plumbers putty.
Love to get to the bottom of this. |
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| 20 Oct 2007 01:13 AM |
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Old school granite guys still use plumbers putty as a guide for core drilling.
Andy, I was in a friends condo last weekend for dinner. One of our customers did all 80 stone tops in the hi-rise. Clear silicone was used in all. |
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Travis Harper
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| 20 Oct 2007 04:36 PM |
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100% silicone is all you should use. Expecially on your substrate.
On bs we either use Axiom or Polyseal. Never had a problem. |
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Andy Graves
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| 22 Oct 2007 06:13 AM |
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Cool. Thanks for the help on this. |
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kdnoel
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| 22 Oct 2007 03:11 PM |
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Packing a faucet hole or mounting a drop-in with plumbers putty is a no-no with natural stone. The plumbers putty is oil based and the granite will suck the putty dry causing it to fail and the granite may need to be pouticed to remove the oil depending on the stone.
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 22 Oct 2007 03:15 PM |
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Kevin, Like I said, old school guys still do it that way. I'm over trying to change the human nature thing. |
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Tom M
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| 22 Oct 2007 03:20 PM |
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Kevin,
Do you agree with Travis, then? 100% RTH silicone? |
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| 22 Oct 2007 03:24 PM |
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Tom, that is what 95% of our customers use. |
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| 22 Oct 2007 03:40 PM |
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To Norms question about AXIOM having "Acetic Acid" in it. NO, it does not. As a matter of fact, the solvent, when cured is inert.
Al Thiemke of AXIOM just got back from Stone expo. What he heard from a lot of fabricators was: "It's about time somebody came out with this product for stone." Problem is, it's been out for years. Stone guy, generally speaking, is to cheap to spend $6.99 per tube on a truly translucent product vs slapping 2 buck a tube Dap on it.
The stone guys that use AXIOM all say one thing, being that it's translucent and mimmicks or "pulls" the color of the stone into the caulk line, the 1st thing you notive is that your eyes are not drawn to the caulk line, it's drawn to the stone being that you simply don't see said caulk line. |
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kdnoel
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| 22 Oct 2007 04:39 PM |
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Tom
Thats what we use to mount the undermount bowl along with anchors and clips.
We use the Dap product Dave mentioned for evrything else and love it because it is so easy to cleanup. |
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| 22 Oct 2007 06:24 PM |
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Kevin, bet you didn't know that 100% silicone is easy to clean up as well.
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kdnoel
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| 23 Oct 2007 12:24 AM |
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I'll have to try some Dave... the silicone is just so sticky on a hot summer day in new construction. |
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| 23 Oct 2007 12:27 AM |
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Your address is listed in your sig. line. A sample will be sent in the morning. Call me so I can tell you exactly how to use the product.
1-866-FED-SAW1 (333-7291)
Does not matter how "sticky" the silicone is or how humid, this removes it. I can squirt a tube of silicone on the hood of your car and remove it with DSR-5 without affecting the paint. Very user friendly and yes, I did that on the hood of a customers car! You should have seen his eyes. LOL |
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| 23 Oct 2007 03:26 AM |
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Dave,
Am I the only one who's sprayer has failed on the dsr-5? I had to swap it out with one from another spray bottle today. Just wondering.
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| 23 Oct 2007 01:03 PM |
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Well, I've never sold extra sprayers. Nothing special about it although the bottles are non-paneling which means the product won't evaporate like in a dollar store bottle. |
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