Andy Graves
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| 03 Nov 2007 01:51 AM |
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[QUOTE]FEDSAWDAVE wrote
Not 7% on all and I can show you product that will ABSORB in to it quite nicely.[/QUOTE]
I am interested in hearing about this. Does that mean this product or other like it could stain the material? |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 02:02 AM |
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Jesus, Mary & Joseph...we're getting of on a "what does that mean" thingy. This product, Quartz Enhancer, does not stain.
My question to you Andy is: Does Quartz stain? |
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Tom M
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| 03 Nov 2007 02:09 AM |
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Well, if the product gets absorbed into the material, is that not a stain?
I'm just sayin'... |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 02:13 AM |
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The "product" is not the proverbial wine, grease, lemon juice, etc...that stains. Why are you splitting hairs??
Go to info@mather and click on the link. |
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Tom M
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| 03 Nov 2007 02:23 AM |
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Friday night is nit-picking night isn't it?
Oh, that's next week? Sorry, my bad.
Hey, by the way, what's the big deal sending a hurricane our way. You guys in Fla-la land are supposed to get these things. |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 02:28 AM |
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You're welcome...on the Hurricane thing. We were lucky again this year, 2 years in a row. I'm sure all the insurance big-wigs are IMMEDIATELY going to lower our rates. NOT! |
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Dani Homrich
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| 03 Nov 2007 04:41 PM |
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[QUOTE]Tom M wrote Products do not stick very well to Polyester and any top coat applied to ES will cause different issues down the road...
B-B-But Dani! it's 93 percent by weight quartz! Didn't you hear? 93% by weight Quartz! How can it not stick to a material that is 93% by weight Quartz!
Why, there's almost no poly in it at all. A meazly 7% by weight, that's it!!!111![/QUOTE]
Tom,
Polyester bulk density is 34 lb/ft³ Quartz bulk density is between 97 lb/ft³ & 125 lb/ft³ depending on the size of the crystals.
@ 97 lb/ft³ the 7% polyester by wt. becomes 19.97% by volume. @125 lb/ft³ the 7% polyester by wt. becomes 25.74% by volume.
This all means that at lease 1/5 and possibly as high as 1/4 of the sheet is polyester.
Dani
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kdnoel
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| 03 Nov 2007 05:32 PM |
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That would be why GelGloss works so well on es surfaces...
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Tom M
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| 03 Nov 2007 06:14 PM |
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Dani, yeah, I was being facetious. What a cheap shot by the manufacturers to take that 93% line of crap and try to stuff it down our gullets. |
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Dani Homrich
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| 03 Nov 2007 06:48 PM |
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Tom,
I'm just making sure everyone is keeping the facts correct, that there is allot of poly in ES.
Andy,
I have not found a product that will stain ES that can not be removed very easily with one kind of cleaner or another. Now if someone is trying to remove a stain with the wrong type of cleaner for that stain, sure the stain will still be there. The trick is to use the right cleaner or solvent for the type of stain you are trying to remove and the stain will be gone.
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Davis Linder
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| 03 Nov 2007 07:33 PM |
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Dave,
I used it on the Quartz job we installed yeasterday and it gives a little something extra on the finish especially the edge where our stone fabricator tends to sometimes leave a little dull. I also tested on a throwaway piece and a piece of splash that part of it had faded in the sun. I left on for about a couple of hours before wiping it off. It had hardened on the surface took some serious work to get off but it enhanced the faded area on the splash but not to a point where it was brought back to the rest of the splash. |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 07:50 PM |
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A couple of hours left on and yes, it will be hard to buff off by hand. Have not tried it with a wool bonnet on a buffer but I will. Recommended time left on the top is 20-30 minutes...no more. I've had quite a few folks tell me what you just did, the top is fine but the edge is a little dull and does not match the top so they spray on the edge profile, let sit for 20 minutes then wipe to a shine. |
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Andy Graves
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| 04 Nov 2007 02:14 AM |
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[QUOTE] FEDSAWDAVE wrote
Jesus, Mary & Joseph...we're getting of on a "what does that mean" thingy. This product, Quartz Enhancer, does not stain.
My question to you Andy is: Does Quartz stain?
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I was not trying to be pain in the ass. What I meant to say is that if the enhancer works so well which I am sure it does, does this mean that quartz material will absorb food stains like wine and mustard. That is what I was curious about. |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 04 Nov 2007 11:59 AM |
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Yes you were Andy, It's worked well in what we've tried it on but I have a coated piece, part of our sales counter, with a few drops of wine on it now. Put it on Friday before I left for the weekend. No Gene, we don't have Merlot in the fridge at work.
Keep in mind, this product is not the cure all for all your ES ailments. It will have it's place but it's up to you fabricators to to see what place that is for your needs. |
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Karl Crooks
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| 04 Nov 2007 11:44 PM |
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[QUOTE] FEDSAWDAVE wrote
So a multi-million dollar company came out with this product be cause it has no uses?
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Dave thats funny, and yes we all see that all the time, sad but true. |
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Karl Crooks
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| 04 Nov 2007 11:53 PM |
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[QUOTE] Andy wrote
FEDSAWDAVE wrote
Jesus, Mary & Joseph...we're getting of on a "what does that mean" thingy. This product, Quartz Enhancer, does not stain.
My question to you Andy is: Does Quartz stain?
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I was not trying to be pain in the ass. What I meant to say is that if the enhancer works so well which I am sure it does, does this mean that quartz material will absorb food stains like wine and mustard. That is what I was curious about.
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We have seen Quartz stain.... but so far it has been bad material that had mirco voids in it. |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 05 Nov 2007 01:48 PM |
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Thank You Karl. |
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kdnoel
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| 06 Nov 2007 10:25 PM |
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The worst stain I have had to deal with was a cement colored ceasar stone that got black rubber marks from sitting on a shop cart this summer... we ended up removing it with GoJo hand cleaner after trying alcohol, acetone, and numerous other cleaners.
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 07 Nov 2007 12:20 AM |
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Kevin, this product is not a stain remover, just an enhancer. |
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