FEDSAWDAVE
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| 02 Oct 2007 07:42 PM |
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So that slab of Quartz comes in and we have a little shading problem, a lttle scratch, duller on one end than the other.
If you could buy a product that you simply sprayed on and rubbed in thereby creating a uniform, enhanced color from one end to the other, and stayed that way........would that work for you? |
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Tom M
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| 02 Oct 2007 09:34 PM |
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Sounds like cheating to me.
Is it just a coating that will wear out and need reapplication? Will it get into the sandwich that "never(!)" gets made on the countertop?
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 02 Oct 2007 09:51 PM |
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Inquiring minds are about to find out ! |
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Karl Crooks
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| 02 Oct 2007 11:48 PM |
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[QUOTE] FEDSAWDAVE wrote
So that slab of Quartz comes in and we have a little shading problem, a lttle scratch, duller on one end than the other.
If you could buy a product that you simply sprayed on and rubbed in thereby creating a uniform, enhanced color from one end to the other, and stayed that way........would that work for you?
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Dave from what I have seen this type of product it is not something that last, in the long run it wears off. Unless you have something new ???? |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Oct 2007 12:58 AM |
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We'll be testing it over the weekend but obviously Karl you'll want the product to stay on for the long haul. I always take maunufactures claims and run them through the flaming hoop. This happens to be a very high end, reputable company but as always, we want to see it for ourselves. |
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Andy Graves
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| 02 Nov 2007 05:52 AM |
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So what happened with the test. We often have hazzing on the edges of quartz material. Being non-pourous material, wouldn't anything that you apply only be on the surface? |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 02 Nov 2007 12:50 PM |
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2 FabNetters are testing the product. We already have and it works great, especially for your purpose Andy. I'll get you a bottle out the door today. You should see the differance in our quartz sales counters.
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Karl Crooks
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| 02 Nov 2007 04:47 PM |
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Dave I did some testing, heres what I found......
First off thats some strong smelling stuff, it must be good !!
I used the product on a few counters with these problem types..... haszing, dull spots, scratches and other odd issues on the decks of the counters.
The product was pretty EZ to work with and it did leave a VERY nice shine that ADDED ALOT of depth, you could see into product more and all of the colors really jumped out. Very nice I would highy recomend this product if thats what your looking for !!!
As far the haszing, dull spots, scratches and other odd issues ...... they ended up being more noticeable...... as with most surfaces that have a shine, problems show up more. Please keep in mind these where NOT minior issues, each problem was VERY noticeable in the first place. |
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Dani Homrich
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| 02 Nov 2007 06:03 PM |
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Karl,
Is it like a sealer that hardens or is it wipe on product like the SS products C-Magic, etc.
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 02 Nov 2007 06:07 PM |
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Karl, I understand that whatever top you put it on, apparently had some major issues. The product is not for removing med. to deep scratches. That obviously is where a top polishing/sanding method comes in. We've seen "hazy" tops (our) where it blended it very well. All haze is not created equally though.
We here a lot from fabrictors that there customers went with stone because the quartz was not shiny enough. Heard it today from a walk-in. With Superior Quartz Enhancer, the problem is solved. |
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Karl Crooks
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| 02 Nov 2007 07:00 PM |
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[QUOTE]Dani Designs wrote
Karl,
Is it like a sealer that hardens or is it wipe on product like the SS products C-Magic, etc.
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I'm not good with the make up of the product, but it must be a sealer of some sort, NOT just a wax like C-Magic. |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 02 Nov 2007 07:05 PM |
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If it was akin to countertop Magic:
A) I would not be distriburing it.
B) I would not waste time getting FabNetters to try it.
C) Tell the Boyz in J-villed it's PATENTED. |
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Dani Homrich
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| 02 Nov 2007 08:45 PM |
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Karl,
It is not recommended to seal ES because of the Polyester in the product. Polyester is an extremely poor binder for any product applied to it, about the same as a zip-lock polyethylene bag. The problem is the sealer will pop lose on the poly allowing water to get under the sealer leaving a white haze or dulling of the finish. Fixing one problem will only lead to another problem do the road or a customer call back. Dull, white, or hazy edges are finishing issues, that must be addressed at the fabricator level. White and hazy edges are caused from too much heat, use slower speed, less pressure more water. Keep the Quartz under 200°, save the poly and your edges will look good without putting a cover up on them.
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 02 Nov 2007 09:00 PM |
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So a multi-million dollar company came out with this product be cause it has no uses?
I'll let the quartz folks decide. OH WAIT! They already did. Thank you to the folks who buy, and like this product. |
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Andy Graves
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| 02 Nov 2007 09:39 PM |
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[QUOTE] FEDSAWDAVE wrote
So a multi-million dollar company came out with this product be cause it has no uses?
I'll let the quartz folks decide. OH WAIT! They already did. Thank you to the folks who buy, and like this product.
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Dani was specifically talking about a sealer and not your enhancer. Aren't they two different things? |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 12:37 AM |
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Not necessarily.
So what you're saying is no engineered stone on the market stains?
Sincerely, Devil's Advocate |
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Dani Homrich
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| 03 Nov 2007 12:55 AM |
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Andy,
If the product has a curing or hardening factor then it would be considered a sealer no matter what it is called. A enhancer is a wipe on product that can easily be removed like the Silestone enhancer for the Leather series. Putting a product that hardens on ES would very similar to putting the same product on a SS top and we all know how well that works. Products do not stick very well to Polyester and any top coat applied to ES will cause different issues down the road and greatly reduces the type of products you can use to clean and maintain an ES countertop. Manufactures of ES do not recommend putting any type of hardening top coat or sealer on their product.
Dani
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 01:09 AM |
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"Products do not stick very well." I do think you left out the absorb part.
I'll have details at 11. This one should be good. |
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Tom M
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| 03 Nov 2007 01:37 AM |
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Products do not stick very well to Polyester and any top coat applied to ES will cause different issues down the road...
B-B-But Dani! it's 93 percent by weight quartz! Didn't you hear? 93% by weight Quartz! How can it not stick to a material that is 93% by weight Quartz!
Why, there's almost no poly in it at all. A meazly 7% by weight, that's it!!!111! |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 03 Nov 2007 01:49 AM |
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Not 7% on all and I can show you product that will ABSORB in to it quite nicely. |
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