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Last Post 02 Aug 2007 07:04 PM by Gordon Shell. 46 Replies.
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Tom M
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01 Aug 2007 06:26 PM
Matt, I'm pretty sure I can do an LT55 template quicker'n' stick right now, but I'm not sure I could beat my guys with stick. There's so many factors that need to get plugged in that the story changes with the fabricator, I would expect.

Andy digitizes all his templates, so that adds time to stick for him, but he has shaping (if it has been scribed to fit onsite), and he has those annoying straight line decisions all set. He may process faster than I could with the LT dxf file.

A fabricating friend makes a hard template and goes back onsite to check it. This seems to many of us like an unnecessary step, but he sells metal and glass tops as well as sol surf and hard surf. he has a high degree of confidence this way, and as long as he gets paid for it, I think it's great.

It all depends on the shop, and as you have stated before, I think,  it all depends on how well you use the system.

One of these days I may become a PT user (or ET), but for now the LT works well for me.
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01 Aug 2007 09:52 PM

Heck I will guarantee I can do a template in half the time is anyone with a sticks. Not only that but I will also guarantee my top fits better. The down side to the lt-55 is the darn thing is to accurate. If you build wall to wall tops the with the measurment it gives you... well the darn thing wond fit. A 20 circle will not fit inside a 20" circle.

The point is everyone does things there own way and its obviously the way that they are comfortable with and hopfully the it makes them money. Thats fine. But in no way ever ever ever will sticking a job be better than digital. And thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Who started this darn topic anyway....hmmmm must have been Andy

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01 Aug 2007 11:34 PM

Templating with a FARO Digital Template System for almost 3 years. It shows the entire job on a laptop and you can show and see all cabinet face frame and wall scribes as well as put in your overhangs which you can show your customer. Extremely fast and accurate. Export to autocad and send to CNC. We also stick template FHBS after new top is installed.

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02 Aug 2007 02:38 AM
Without doubt a skilled craftsman can be good using any tool. And everyone likes different tools for different reasons. But I don't see too many people building houses with hand saws, planing boards with chisels, or drilling holes with a hand drill. Not much market for that. This is a tech age and Hi-Tech gets more done, faster and better.

How many of us still use a typewriter instead of a wordprocessor? Or a clothesline instead of a dryer? Microwave anyone? My phone takes pictures of job sites, sends them by email, surfs the internet, warns me my next appointment is in an hour, shows me how to get there, displays dopler radar of the local weather, and plays hundreds of songs through my car stereo. And everyone on this site is using internet and enjoying free worldwide instantaneous communications, a concept I couldn't even conceive of when I built my first top. The fact is there are too many benefits to staying current with technology. And if you don't stay with it, you fall behind.. while your competition gets ahead. And if you don't fix little glitches in your tripod your competition gets an edge, and people write nasty little notes on the internet for the whole world to read. Such is life. Aint' it fun?

So to each his own. As for me, I am so glad we went digital, and am so glad I could do it for <$10k with the LT55! And a 10 minute template.. Wow! That's really hard to beat. And besides faster and easier, we market the fact that we do digital templates. People love it. They believe in technology. It inspires confidence and respect. We've owned the Laser for less than a year and already the number of new accounts we've landed and additional business we've attracted has already paid for the system. It's one of the best decisions we could've made. Thanks Gordon. Next we're on the hunt for hi-tech tripods.
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02 Aug 2007 06:05 AM
You guys that are looking for a cool tripod need to look on the internet for Surveying equiptment.  They make some really cool stuff and it might work for you.  Like This
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02 Aug 2007 03:26 PM

[QUOTE]Owen! wrote
Without doubt a skilled craftsman can be good using any tool. And everyone likes different tools for different reasons. But I don't see too many people building houses with hand saws, planing boards with chisels, or drilling holes with a hand drill. Not much market for that. This is a tech age and Hi-Tech gets more done, faster and better.

How many of us still use a typewriter instead of a wordprocessor? Or a clothesline instead of a dryer? Microwave anyone? My phone takes pictures of job sites, sends them by email, surfs the internet, warns me my next appointment is in an hour, shows me how to get there, displays dopler radar of the local weather, and plays hundreds of songs through my car stereo. And everyone on this site is using internet and enjoying free worldwide instantaneous communications, a concept I couldn't even conceive of when I built my first top. The fact is there are too many benefits to staying current with technology. And if you don't stay with it, you fall behind.. while your competition gets ahead. And if you don't fix little glitches in your tripod your competition gets an edge, and people write nasty little notes on the internet for the whole world to read. Such is life. Aint' it fun?

So to each his own. As for me, I am so glad we went digital, and am so glad I could do it for <$10k with the LT55! And a 10 minute template.. Wow! That's really hard to beat. And besides faster and easier, we market the fact that we do digital templates. People love it. They believe in technology. It inspires confidence and respect. We've owned the Laser for less than a year and already the number of new accounts we've landed and additional business we've attracted has already paid for the system. It's one of the best decisions we could've made. Thanks Gordon. Next we're on the hunt for hi-tech tripods.[/QUOTE]

WOW! Thanks Owen! I swear to everyone that was not a paid testimonial. I sell the laser part time because its an easy sale and I get feed back like this, its a very low risk business for me cause I have about  a 99.9% satisfaction rate with my customers.

All the systems work great, but myself and the majority of my customers feel that the LT-55 is the biggest bang for their buck, ease of learning, low cost, accuracy, etc. You can pic up the LT-55 and a plotter for the cost of most systems without the plotter or training.

Thanks to all of you that posted positive feedback, anyone that wants to give the LT-55 a try feel free to give me a call 616-293-6170. We do offer a 30-day money back gaurantee if your not satisfied with the performance.

Thanks

Gordon Shell, gshell661@yahoo.com, 616-293-6170
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02 Aug 2007 07:04 PM
Lets face the facts that the tripod is the oldest technology in the
system.
However, with all things if your usage may reflect your results. Drive
a car
with your foot on the brake and it may function but in the long term
you
will have problems. Over the last three years we have come a long way
toward
making the tripod better. We took back the tripod for all the customers
from
the 1st 6 months and replaced it with the best tripod we could find.
This
showed us that we had a problem with the level base having movement
with
time and use. So the level base was redesigned and replaced for our
owners.
I've bought the $1000 carbon fiber tripod and they are lighter,
however,
they are not the fix to the problem. So lets make sure we don't have
our
foot on the brake of the existing tripod. Tripod problems come in three

forms. ( All of which are our fault for not training you well enough
not the
fault of the tripod.)

#1. The tripod can have no movement. (except the elevator) Make sure
the
wing nuts that work the extensions are Tight and in the detents and
don't
tough them.

#2 Use the center column adjustment to change the height of the tripod.
Most
cabinets are about the same height so you can put a mark on the column
as to
how far to spread the legs for setup and your done in seconds. Hand
tighten
this. Tighten too much can cause problem #2. It is possible to put a
dent in
the column. If
you get a dent the elevator of the tripod will move left or right as it
goes
past the dent in the column. Stop on or near the dent bad measurements.

#3 The wing nut that puts drag on the elevator. If you loosen this nut
the
black box will rock back and forth 3-5 degrees. If you tighten it too
far
you can not move the tripod on and down without moving the tripod. (By
the
way you don't want to tighten take data, loosen and change height of
tripod
and retighten and take more data. It will not hit the same angle when
you
retighten ) So what we have to learn is what is just right. Start with
the
thumb screw loose and tighten as you rock the black box back and forth.
When
the black box stops rocking you stop tightening. ( Don't add a little
more
for good measure, you may get bad measures) Check it out. The elevator
will
now go up and down with a little drag and no rotation. Turn on the
laser and
point at a corner that is plumb and see how it works. If you still have

problems give me a call. 616-293-6170 We will make it work.
Gordon Shell, gshell661@yahoo.com, 616-293-6170
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