Andy Graves
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| 24 Apr 2007 03:33 AM |
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[QUOTE]Chad Thomas wrote
Andy,
We were given the rights to the Corian mini cartridge and dispenser so their 50ml and ours (dispensers included) are exactly the same.
Chad
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I have a small gun from Corian and you guys. The Corian one won't fit in your gun. It is an old gun so not sure if that means something. |
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Andy Graves
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| 24 Apr 2007 03:37 AM |
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Johnny C,
If you read the warranty of many manufacturers, they do not cover the seam. With that said, if you are the one that is responsible you should use the glue that works the best with the fewest failures. I think Corian, Wilsonart, and Formica all make their own glues and they color match very well and the work.
There are other companies like Acrybond that have had many problems with their glue. I wouldn't recommend that brand.
Without sounding like a salesman, I use Integra, cause it works 99% of the time and they have a color that works 99% of the time. |
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Andy Graves
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| 24 Apr 2007 03:39 AM |
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Check the Warranty Chart. It shows which brands you are required to use the manufacturers glue. |
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Ray Aleksic
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| 24 Apr 2007 04:21 PM |
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Hello Andy,
My last post did not work to well.....
The dispenser you are talking about is the 40ml. We currently use the 50ml cartridge and dispenser, that is the same as Corians cartridge and dispenser.
I believe Corian, Wilsonart and Formica buy there adhesives on the open market and do not make their own.
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Shane Barker
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| 24 Apr 2007 05:28 PM |
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With cost aside, I will use whatever glue I find to be the best quality and has the most reliability and consistency. Some manufacturers change their glues so often you would never know what glue you are getting from one order to the next. Corian adhesive is very consistent, it consistently slows us down. I would be more likely to use Corian adhesive if they paid me the labor I spend on wasted time waiting for their glue to harden.
As Andy said, they don’t warranty the seams, and they could care less if I have to wait several hours hoping their glue will harden, so as far as the agreement I have with them I feel I can make a much better top if I don’t have to deal with their adhesive on a regular basis and as long as I use a quality adhesive does it really matter? When I have spoke to them about this they said their requirement was more for the fabricators trying to save a buck by using a substandard adhesive, and I see their point.
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Ray Aleksic
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| 24 Apr 2007 06:22 PM |
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Hello Johnny C,
It comes down to saving more than a buck. I have a fabricator that saved over 100k switching adhesives. That is a direct savings. The indirect savings are in our tip size, tip cost, cure speed and sanding properties. There is good glue and some bad glue in the market. I would use the glue you feel comfortable with and have the most success with.
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Tom M
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| 24 Apr 2007 07:44 PM |
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Shane,
I'm pretty sure Corian seam performance is warranted.
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John Christensen
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| 25 Apr 2007 07:29 PM |
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You are correct Tom.
Even if other fab errors are present. The original fabricator will simply get back charged for the repair if that is the case.
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| 26 Apr 2007 02:27 AM |
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I am curious if those of you that are Corian CFI's think that ten years seems like an awful lot of exposure considering the profit margin is no different using any other brand of material?
Also a question for Karl from BTP, are most of the repairs you do a result of fabricators that are no longer in business? |
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Tom M
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| 26 Apr 2007 02:37 AM |
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Norm,
They hate it. They all hate it.
Marketting loves it.
Compared to what else is out there, for any kind of product, it's a gift. The consumer gets a fantastic warranty. The problem is people don't buy that way. As long as the coverage keeps up, it has to be one of the best in the world. But listen to Karl, and Joe, and Gordon. The coverage is getting thinner. That means they've run out of corners to cut.
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| 26 Apr 2007 02:44 AM |
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I had a chance to use the glue this evening. I am trying to get a demo ready for a small local home show, so I brought it home to work on. Glued up the first edge. Seamed to skim over a little quick, but hey it is warm here.
Went inside, took a shower, checked email, went back to check the adhesive and it still isn't fully cured. Doesn't give me the warm fuzzies, if you know what I mean.
Maybe it is just me,
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Tom M
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| 26 Apr 2007 03:05 AM |
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If it's humid, it should set in about 45 minutes as a guess. You will always be able to press your thumbnail in the first bit. That part never cures. If you hit some bedrock below it, you should be fine. That's a side benefit to bleed out.
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| 26 Apr 2007 03:20 AM |
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[QUOTE] Norm W. wrote
Also a question for Karl from BTP, are most of the repairs you do a result of fabricators that are no longer in business?
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Norm, that would be hard for me to say, often times we never know who the Fab was. |
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| 26 Apr 2007 03:44 AM |
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Tom,
Did you reeaaally say IF IT IS HUMID. This is S. Georgia man. It is 11:45 here right now. Humidity is 74%, as per TWC.
I do feel better about digging my thumbnail in now that you mentioned that.
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Andy Graves
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| 26 Apr 2007 04:38 AM |
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From what I understand, Corian Glue dries from the inside out. Sometimes the outside never really dries. |
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| 27 Apr 2007 06:46 PM |
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Is it my imagination or does Corian glue also seem to give off more heat as it cures? May just be me, but I picked up some purge to see if it was cured at it felt warmer than I had expected.
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Gordon Shell
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| 27 Apr 2007 06:53 PM |
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Corian adhesive does give off quite a bit of heat, I'm sure alot of you remember the old days of the hand kits that you used to mix with a vibrating sander. We use to check the mixture by how hot the tube was getting. You'll also notice that the adhesive turns a pretty shade of green as it starts to cure, don't worry, thats the UV stabilizer activating, it will go back to the appropriate color when it dries.
Andy,
You are correct, sometimes there will be a thin skin of soft adhesive that doesn't dry fully the core of it doe dry nicely though. |
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