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21 Apr 2007 08:31 PM

More Green Everywhere.  Check out Home Depot is doing ad HI-MACS is stepping into the mix with Avonite as having "Green" solid surface material.

HOME DEPOT - GREEN Website

LG HI-MACS - GREEN Material

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21 Apr 2007 09:44 PM
I saw the LG product a while ago, but they waited till Earth Day to launch this product. At the Expo they had a sign that said coming April 22..  As with Avonites "Green" products.. I have to say  ... ho hum... ok colors, but nothing special. They are geared towards Commercial work and will be priced similar to Volcanics. 
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21 Apr 2007 09:56 PM

Tom

Your confusing making YOUR shop "green" and green products. There are no mandates a shop do anything, It is merely PRODUCTS that are green.  You need to do nothing but offer some of the products, Avonite and Hi Macs at this point that include some "Recyled" product in them. You will see NO DIFFERENCE in working with these products than working with any other SS product. What is recyled is the particulate. They regrind defective sheets,  cut off's etc and use them in a new "mix".  This works exactly the same as any other product.  Lets not confuse mandates that you need to change something in your process and using PRODUCTS that are "Green".   Hope this clears some of the confusion up. 

Some things people can do, which I have done for several years is using the "florescent" replacement bulbs for incandesent bulbs, saving about 1/4 of the elec.  Here Costco has had a promotion with the local Electric Co so the bulbs are very inexpensive.

I agree much of the "green" Movement is BS.. but not all.   Are you aware at least 37 National Cabinet companies are "green" using wood from sustainable forests.. just makes sense. In fact many cabinet companies are in the lead in that area.  Many of the inititives make good business sense, besides being good for the enviroment.

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22 Apr 2007 02:02 AM
Wags,
First, you see in Andy's post that an earlier suspicion I had has already panned out. Home Depot is jumping on this hard. Think about that. A business whose very model is geared for the disposable market is trying to be a player in the movement that is anathema to its goals. They are donating sums of money to help in the research of greenas well. How much influence will they have?

Number two, small shops aren't just fabrication shops. I talked to a rep about an Azek like product who produces it on a small scale. They cannot affpord the costs of accreditation to get their product labled apropriately. They will have to, of course, but it certainly is evidence that the small business has a major disadvantage.

And who are these councils, or businesses that are the arbitters of certification? Are they public? (no) are they quasi-public? (no idea) are there fair standards that consider the correct facts that are relevant in practice as well as theory? Do you know?

As for fabricators' cost, I need to spend time researching. I don't have a research department, or even the commercial sales staff to do this, and I certainly can't afford to hire one. That is a cost. Are these programs going to extend to shops output into the stmosphere? They should, shouldn't they? If that becomes the case, isn't that a burden that many smaller shops will not be able to bear?

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23 Apr 2007 04:56 PM
Another take on the leaders of the enviro movement.
Anecdotal? Sure, but very telling. We are told we have to change our ways to save Ma Earth from the coming havoc we are wreaking on the ol' gal as we speak. The chief publicity generators are these types of celebrities, who theselves would rather buy their way out of the inconvenient truths of what such a lifestyle change would entail.

Tom
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