Gene McDonald
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| 13 May 2007 10:36 PM |
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does the class in NM give hands on for field seams? I went to our local Floridian Avo class and I thought it was great. However i didn't get hands on...I went to the Advanced Class which i thought was awesome on glass series and showed us chiseled edge,etc. I thought when someone is certified I thought it meant they were good, that to me only means they can buy material...I would really hire someone to help me trained at the factory first before watching someone else make a top...My first sales were not Vanity tops they were big unique projects and field seam bartops..Thank to my past woodwork and laminating experience or i never would have done it..I'd be certified though |
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Norm Walters
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| 13 May 2007 10:48 PM |
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I am not an ISSFA member anymore so don't get the impression I am plugging them, but, their total fabrication class is second to none in my opinion. After their class you will have a clue as to how to fabricate a top, along with alot of details on do's and dont's. It is expensive, but if you could send one employee or yourself to it and then teach the rest what was learned it could be cost effective.
After taking any class, this Network is an invaluable source of information from industry experts that have made all the mistakes which have cost them money, just by asking, you can save some of yours. |
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David Gerard
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| 13 May 2007 11:21 PM |
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Hey Norm, I want you to know that I am stiil thinking about you mentioning IFASS's class bring very comprehensive. This is why im torn between going there or for less money going elsewhere. I have been fortunate enough to be doing lots of diff. brands full time in my shop for 3 years. I have been gaining alot of experience with every job. Because of my distance from the mainstream we have always done our own problem solving. I know there is so much to learn. I feel very fortunate to have walked by Andy's booth and gained access to this site. Going to a formal class maybe a formality at this point. Me being the tight-wad have to have the best bang for my buck. I hemorage money when I have to leave here for anything. Either way it will be money well spent Im sure. I don't pretend to know anything about ISSFA but my first impression in Orlando wasn't that great. Could have been the person I spoke to. My mentor/partner will not participate with ISSFA. for the same reasons as the rest. I have plenty of time yet to decide, no hurry. thanks DG |
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| 14 May 2007 12:26 AM |
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Gene,
it has been six years, but then they did run you through a seam with a paralign on the L top.
I allways said that most fabricators will screw up the first top even after they come out of the class. Real world experience makes you remember what the teacher said.
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Jon Olson
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| 14 May 2007 08:25 PM |
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My card says "you cant see our cracks" |
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Tom M
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| 14 May 2007 09:02 PM |
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My card says "you cant see our cracks"
That reminds me. Today, I had to template a vanity top while a plumber was putting the valves in. |
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Tom M
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| 14 May 2007 09:40 PM |
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Wags
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| 14 May 2007 09:53 PM |
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May want to look into Penske's training class. Very indepth and the shop is an operating fabrication shop. so you also get real world experience.
FTR I am not associated with Penske, just respect his knowledge and dedication to the solid surface industry.
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David Gerard
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| 15 May 2007 02:35 AM |
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I called Avonite today, May be able to get enough students to justify them sending up a teacher. The company that is my showroom is now a distibutor. Now I need to line up a more centraly located shop. That's going to be the problem, my competition! Might have to sweeten the pot........ fish on!!! Tried to convince Pinske of a class in Nov. I go down to Minn. to hunt with my bros. That what Pinske's guys are doin too. Can you tell I want my cake and eat it too  |
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Lenny E
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| 15 May 2007 07:48 AM |
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Hi All,
THe ISSFA course under the auspices of Steve Bace back in the day was the best I had ever taken. I previously took a fab course at Nevamar back in the day, another at Fountainhead while IP owned it. I opted not to take the Formica course (no reason why other than too busy at the time). But Steves course, hands down, blew em all away. He really had a passion for the product.
I would hope the course is still the same quality today. I think Bill Wolle treaches those now. I cant say yea or nay to the current course however as I never took the current version.
Tom, Hmmmm, how many drinks does it take for me to spill the beans?. Interesting question on ethanolic equllibrium. That question has been refferred to the National Academy of Science who are studying that concurrently with how many licks it takes to get to nugget center of a tootsie pop. So far no beans have been spilled although I did turn a pale shade of blue once,about 10 years ago (nice try guys...the bar bill supposedly maxxed out their corporate credit card).
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