Mark Urbaniak
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| 08 Jan 2007 11:10 PM |
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we get them from integra or grand quartz |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 08 Jan 2007 11:13 PM |
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Ok, what are they? What do they look like? The only reason I ask is that we have several types. |
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Mark Urbaniak
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| 08 Jan 2007 11:19 PM |
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look like your fedclips 2 for sink and your fedclip1 adjustable for dishwashers |
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Matt Kraft
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| 09 Jan 2007 10:41 AM |
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My guys are taught that silicone is a sealant.
Not a fastener.
Not a filler.
We use surface bond drillless fastener from a company called Chemical Concepts. www.chemical-concepts.com They also sell a two part expoxy that you could pull tree stumps out with to mount. More expensive, but saves a ton of time vs drilling and mounting brass grommets. We have had issues with grommets coming out from time to time also.
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 09 Jan 2007 12:50 PM |
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Gotcha MUrban and Matt, the epoxy is made by a company called Devcon. Real tough stuff. |
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| 09 Jan 2007 01:00 PM |
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Same as Matt here.
We use a different one from Chem. Concepts for the dishwasher. Matt, we are currently using a 3-M epoxy. You really like Chem Concept's glue?
Also used the vance for cast-iron or porcelin sinks. Works really well, in my opinion.
Tom
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 09 Jan 2007 02:03 PM |
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Tom, 3M epoxy? You have to much money my friend. I'm putting a tube of Devcon on UPS for you today. Give it a try. |
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| 09 Jan 2007 05:38 PM |
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Much thanks, Dave. You consider this the same quality?
Tom
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| 09 Jan 2007 06:37 PM |
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Tom, I have not used 3M's epoxy. I just know that it's pricey. FEDSAWWES did his own demo on this. He took Clip2 which is the round drill less fastener, attached it to a piece of Solid Surface with Devcon epoxy, then tied a 5 gallon bucket of water to the 3/4" threaded leg and it held. While not a totally scientific way of proving the strength of the epoxy, it never the less held. |
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| 09 Jan 2007 06:44 PM |
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Travis, Sorry About That. Samples are in Route. Glueman (neil@adhesivetech.com)
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Matt Kraft
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| 09 Jan 2007 09:32 PM |
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[QUOTE] Tom M wroteSame as Matt here.
We use a different one from Chem. Concepts for the dishwasher. Matt, we are currently using a 3-M epoxy. You really like Chem Concept's glue?
Also used the vance for cast-iron or porcelin sinks. Works really well, in my opinion.
Tom
[/QUOTE] Dave,
We have had more instances of the stud pulling out of the waffle backer than the epoxy bond breaking loose from the solid surface. That epoxy is as reliable as anything else that I have used. But I haven't used many other epoxies.
Better than one fabricator who worked for me briefly who swore by gluing MDF blocks to the back of the tops, then running a 3/4" drywall screw through the sink clip. Not the only thing him and I couldn't agree on......he doesn't work here anymore.
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 09 Jan 2007 09:38 PM |
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Matt, the stud pulling off of the clip?? How? |
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| 09 Jan 2007 09:59 PM |
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Spot weld (or solder, whatever it is) has broke while tightening too tight using channel locks on wing nut.
No big deal, idiot operator, but just saying those have broke, not the epoxy bond.
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| 09 Jan 2007 10:07 PM |
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Matt,
are you using the rotoloc clips or some other brand? I have been using the clip from chemical concepts since they came out and have never had that happen, whether it be on solid surface, e stone or granite. Did you explain to your employees that tightening a sink down that much will embed the sink in the top. [EMO]bigsmile.gif[/EMO] |
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Tom M
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| 09 Jan 2007 11:44 PM |
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Spot weld (or solder, whatever it is) has broke while tightening too tight using channel locks on wing nut
How many pounds of force did this guy think it needed?
Thanks for your opinions, Dave and Matt. I will give it some thought.
I haven't dug in with the math, but when you're low volume retail (shop of five/six, incl. all installers, lam, ss, etc.) it honestly doesn't cost a lot more to use top shelf (name brand) stuff. On the other hand, when just as good meets pretty close to less expensive, you gotta think about it.
Tom
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Mark Urbaniak
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| 10 Jan 2007 12:30 AM |
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We use Composite Bonder from Integra......There is Instructional video on there site......Stuff works Great |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 10 Jan 2007 12:38 AM |
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Tom, if what you use from 3M works, then that's half the battle.
Matt, I guess that's the old human nature thing... |
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| 28 Jan 2007 02:40 AM |
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I have seen solid surface sinks hard seamed into granite and ES using solid surface adhesive. It worked well but does take alot of work to make it look "integral". Lots of grinding and poishing around the sink. |
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| 28 Jan 2007 03:10 PM |
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It seems like you could oversize the sink cutout in granite or estone by a 1/16", then just sand that much off the sink to get it to blend in. Alot easier to sand solid surface than to grind shiny. Wags, I am also wondering what kind of adhesive was used to attach the sinks you saw. The accessory bonder remains somewhat flexible and comes in one color, and I don't know how "machinable" it is, although it will bond disimilar surfaces. The estone adhesive from Integra works on both solid surface and estone, I don't know about granite though. |
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