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Last Post 20 Apr 2007 02:39 AM by Karl Crooks. 52 Replies.
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Joe Corlett
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12 Feb 2007 05:30 PM

All:

No offence taken, I'm always glad to have someone else learn from my experience, especially with irreplaceable appendages.

Joe

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19 Apr 2007 03:44 PM

All:

There is some reward for posting on Fabnet and on Geeks. A fabricator  in my area apparently read these threads and when a potential customer called for an out-of-warranty bowl repair, he referred them to me. I owe him my thanks and at least a beer with lunch.

The customers had a Fountainhead top and bowl and had the bowl replaced previously under warranty. When it failed the second time they were told by Formica/Fountainhead, "Sorry, we're in bankruptcy, you are S.O.L."

Do not, as I did, try to satisfy your customer by matching the existing obsolete bowl. I spent an hour or so searching for a match on the net and thought I had one with an Integra Classic Right. http://www.integrasinks.com/ I was so sure it would fit, I didn't even open it until I had the old sink removed. Imagine my shock and horror as the new bowl dropped right through the old hole without touching anything, and of course, in front of the customer. Don't trust the dimensions given over the phone.

The guy really wants it fixed today, "What can we do?" he asks. We can install the Mother of all sinks, the Corian 902, that's what. That baby's got a huge footprint. Of course, the "under a thousand dollars" budget I promised for plumbing, removal and replacement is now out the window. I think I know why they call it the 902, that's probably the suggested retail price, the wholesale is around 30% less.

Four hours later, the Integra is on it's way back, my charge card is credited and the 902 awaits installation. I finished up at 8:30 p.m. Andy called me while I was hooking up the drain lines. I told him to call me back, but he didn't. I digress.

Anyway, the lesson is, always replace with a dead match or a no-doubt-about-it larger sink. Save four hours. 

Joe

 

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19 Apr 2007 05:28 PM
LOL Joe, I did that ONCE, cut the sink out first and then checked to see if the new sink would fit (It did not !!) as i said I did that once and only once. I feel you pain LOL !!!
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19 Apr 2007 05:50 PM

Joe,

How recently was he told that by Formica / Fountainhead ?

Reuben

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19 Apr 2007 07:22 PM
[QUOTE]Reuben wrote

Joe,

How recently was he told that by Formica / Fountainhead ?

Reuben

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Reuben:

I don't really know. It had to have been when Formica, who purchased Fountainhead, was still in bankruptcy. I think they're out now and have been for a while.

That's one good thing about bankruptcy if you're a big corporation. Apparently it releases you from all your promises and responsibilities.

Joe

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19 Apr 2007 09:31 PM

You got that right. If I recall that happened with I beleive Owens Corning I think. There was a class action law suit against them for some shingle problems I beleive. Well the put out what they would settle for and work out warranty issues etc. well the attorneys for the people said it was not good enough. The corperation then turned around said fine then that puts in bankruptcy and thus we can not pay any claims. So much for the people at least tgetting something back. The corporation basically closed that subsidary and phased it in to another wing and went on about business as normal. Go figure how that makes since but that is what they get to do and that aint the only case as most or familar with one case or more I am sure.

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19 Apr 2007 09:46 PM

Reuben:

I think it was the asbestos liability that put OC into bankruptcy.

Joe

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19 Apr 2007 10:39 PM

This case I am thinking of occurred about 6-7 years ago. Now you got me thinking to hard on this. I was working at the local lumber yard when this happened and I thought it was them, but I also know masonite had problems with their siding,but thought the just stopped making it and paid claims only if you could junp through all the correct loopholes. I will have to do some looking again to refresh.

But any way sucks when they can get by with abbondoning warranties like they do in bankruptcy.

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19 Apr 2007 11:10 PM
[QUOTE]Reuben:

I don't really know. It had to have been when Formica, who purchased Fountainhead, was still in bankruptcy. I think they're out now and have been for a while.

That's one good thing about bankruptcy if you're a big corporation. Apparently it releases you from all your promises and responsibilities.

Joe[/QUOTE]

They must be out now, Joe. We are currently still doing Fountainhead bowl C/O's for Formica, so it is apparent that they are honoring the warranty claims at this point. Did one just last week, in fact. Part of the settlement maybe?

Gordo (a.k.a. The Fro Bro)<br>Surface Authority, Inc.<br>www.surfaceauthority.com
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19 Apr 2007 11:32 PM

Yea, i called Joe in the middle of his install and he sounded like the sink was actaully laying on top of him.  But damn-it if he didn't answer the phone.  You gotta love that.

I will call you, just got busy with the kids.

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20 Apr 2007 12:08 AM
Joe check your email on the job  we talked about !
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20 Apr 2007 02:30 AM

[QUOTE]KarlC@BTP wrote
Joe check your email on the job  we talked about ![/QUOTE]

Karl:

Check yours.

Joe

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20 Apr 2007 02:39 AM
Thanks Joe, I'll get back to you as soon as I get more info !
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