Tom M
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| 13 Nov 2006 07:24 PM |
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I found this article throiugh a K&B forum. Interesting
reading. Are you prepared for the questions? Have you had any customers
ask about Green Design? I have only had one so far, and I'm in a state
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Tom M
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| 13 Nov 2006 09:39 PM |
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I saw Erica post on this early in your FabNet history, but I did not see many responses. Is this just not worth worrying about at this time?
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| 13 Nov 2006 11:30 PM |
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Tom,
I have spent a lot of time in the last three or four months looking at Green products, I believe we all should be prepared. I have already seen things come spec’d for Green and I will be ready with at least a few products to offer by the end of the year. It is amazing how many products are out there when you start looking.
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| 13 Nov 2006 11:47 PM |
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We fabricated a sample vanity top in Alkemi recently. It looked nice when finished, but needed to be sealed as some of the aluminum fragments become exposed when it is machined/sanded. The first sheet we got in had multiple cracks in it. The replacement sheet wasn't cracked, but it was bowed enough that we couldn't rout the cove on the CNC. It took awhile to sand also.
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Shane Barker
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| 14 Nov 2006 12:03 AM |
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I recently got a sample of the Alkemi and we built up the edge with a roundover and did a seam just to see how it was to work with. I thought it looked pretty cool but between the price of the sheets and the work involved it came out to be too expensive for the project we were working on.
Did yours finally come out okay Seth?
Shane
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| 14 Nov 2006 12:34 AM |
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Tom,
That article was interesting. How do you suppose they would actually rate Avonites recycled colors they have.
Shane,
In this article is talked about the formaldehyde and that made me think of you guys in California. Someone yold me that they were trying to pas legislation that the house had to be test for formaldehyde levels after construcrtion work and if the levels were to hogh the offending material had to be replaced. Is that true or someone just yanking my stupid sign. Also have they made you get away from using flamable adheasive for laminates and switch to water based stuff? Curious as to what we need to be prepared for inthe future cause seems whatCalifornia does eventually they try to make us all switch? |
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| 14 Nov 2006 12:49 AM |
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Reuben,
I know formaldehyde has been an issue for a long time but it has not affected us yet. There is a particle board now that is formaldehyde free or close to it so I am sure we will be going to that in the near future. As far as the contact we are still using the good stuff here but it has been ban in most of California. I will keep using it until I cant buy it anymore.
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| 14 Nov 2006 12:56 AM |
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Jesus, Mary & Joseph, when exactly will the fabricators on this board be delivering their products via mule? |
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Reuben Hoff III
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| 14 Nov 2006 01:00 AM |
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Actually Dave I have thought about it for a couple of jobs where in the middle of the pasture with the cows in the front yard.Also not bad idea if it breaks down then at least you have something you can eat afterwards. |
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| 14 Nov 2006 01:34 AM |
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The problem is having the hazmat team following behind to collect the byproducts.
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| 14 Nov 2006 01:41 AM |
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I had one customer look at the Avonite recycled "green".. but when the price came in at a gazillion dollars a sheet, they went with something different. To me, recycled means, "free" raw materials, so don't tell me the cost is double of a regualr sheet. No matter what it is made of, it all abotu price, price , and then price....
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| 14 Nov 2006 01:54 AM |
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Well Reuben, since you want to eat your delivery vehicle, all in the name of political correctness, please visit this site: www.lard.net/donkey.html
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| 14 Nov 2006 02:02 AM |
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Dave, Once again, I'm going to ask how you know of this site........
are you originally from Florida?? : ) |
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FEDSAWDAVE
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| 14 Nov 2006 02:07 AM |
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Geeez KC, Reuben wanted to eat his delivery vehicle. I was just trying to help a brother out! Born in
Florida  , visited China  . |
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| 14 Nov 2006 02:14 AM |
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Dave, that is nothing that therapy will not help. Now I know you are from Florida explains why you know of websites that all of us plain common midwest guys never heard of. I now know why the elections went so bad there, you all were surfing the net instead of listening how to punch a ballot.
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| 14 Nov 2006 02:28 AM |
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Reuben,
I was thinking of writing them about that. I thought it was rather cool that avonite started that. I don't generaqlly think much of Green Philosophy as it pertains to our industry. There are so many variables as to render it almost useless. Granite is given high points for its longevity. That's the theory. Solid surface should be given this same credit, but wasn't. Why not? They might argue that stone has the potential to last longer, but I would point out that countertops made with these premium materials are usually discarded long before their useful lifespan has ended. So what's the difference? You could also say that stone and solid surface has a life cycle that negates the time it takes to replace itself (oil and stone). But if it only going to be used for an average of 12 years (and I think that may be generous) doesn't that change the formula?
On the other hand if a customer is willing to pay the price for doing their part, who the frig am I to not help them? I applaud their intentions, and am glad to help out. I just think that, as usual, this is going to be one more bit of face time for manufacturers, and trade associations, to show the folks that hate them on principle that they are worthy of being liked.
Tom
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Tom M
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| 14 Nov 2006 02:35 AM |
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to show the folks that hate them on principle that they are worthy of being liked.
You know, like Dave.
 <<<< Wearing glasses, man, you can't hit me.
Signed,
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| 14 Nov 2006 03:51 AM |
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Dave,
I must say you truley will find what it takes to help a guy out. I'll remeber that the next time my delivery truck breaks down. |
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| 14 Nov 2006 05:33 AM |
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Doesn't always seem like there is some "Catch" when it comes to green products. I works "kinda" like all the other "But" not exactly. |
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| 14 Nov 2006 02:07 PM |
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KC, 3M Glue Gun? If so, you have to much money :) Call me for options. You'll save a boat load on the gun & glue. Promise! |
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