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Last Post 07 Nov 2008 06:31 AM by Kelsey Crisp. 27 Replies.
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26 Oct 2008 04:31 PM  

Now that the economy is slowing, everyone seems to think getting into the repair business is a good idea. You can make money, but the risk to your reputation is as high on a two-hundred dollar repair as it is on a five-thousand dollar installation.

Last Thursday I refinished a custom-built Glacier White Corian dining room table on site. The Corian was quadrifid (divided into four parts) by 1 1/2" wide oak strips from corner to corner.

I sent this letter to the client yesterday:

Dear Ms. Fussycustomer:

As we discussed on the telephone on Friday, October 24, 2008, I have completed the samples replicating the finish on the Oak strip sections of your solid surface tabletop. I finished the sample the same way as I finished your table, including using the same Oak wood species. I cut the sample in half and labeled your original finish “A” on the back and the new finish “B”. As you can see and feel, sample “B” is less glossy and is furniture-quality smooth, both attributes you subsequently requested.

As you recall in our initial telephone conversation, you told me the finish on the oak strip sections of your table was chipped and asked me to bring finish to touch it up and I agreed. However, despite my careful application of the highest quality masking tape to protect the failing finish from possible inadvertent sander damage, the existing finish was removed with the masking tape. Even though a touch-up has now become a refinish through no fault of my own, in the interests of good customer relations, I agreed to refinish the oak sections for no extra charge. I also repaired your china cabinet and filled in a divot in your Silestone kitchen countertop at no extra charge.

After you paid your bill in cash, you, your housekeeper and I agreed that the table looked great, especially the glossy refinished Corian sections of your table, which was my original scope of work.

If you now prefer the finish on sample “B”, simply rub the Oak with the enclosed Scotch-Brite pad, apply the enclosed paste wax, and buff with a soft cloth. Should you prefer, I will do this for you upon receiving and cashing your check for my minimum charge.

I repaired the china cabinet and the kitchen countertop while waiting for the first coat of finish to dry and took lunch early to allow more time. I’ve taken the time to prepare a sample, enclose the materials for refinish and write this letter all at no extra charge. Clearly, my actions demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt, my commitment to your satisfaction. If I may be of further service, please contact me at your convenience.

Sincerely,

Joseph Corlett

This lady has made it quite clear to me that she thinks I'm responsible for the masking tape removing the finish from her table strips. That's like taking your car to your mechanic for a brake job and blaming him for breaking off your rusty lug nuts. Had her roof started leaking water on the table, would that have been my fault also?

This is the dilemma of repair work. If you don't satisfy the customer, you'll go out of business. If you spend too much time and material satisfying an unreasonalble customer, you'll be out of business too. With as small an amount of money as repair work pays, the line between the two is very narrow.

She'll probably get my letter by Tuesday, I'll keep you posted.

Joe

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26 Oct 2008 11:08 PM  
No good turn goes unpunished ..huh Joe... now you understand why I prefer commercial work over residential anyday.. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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27 Oct 2008 01:20 AM  

Joe,

Every time I agree to do  little favour for a customer, I end up taking a hit on it. No matter how good a deal you give them, they still expect you to be responsible even if you explain before hand that there may be trouble. I've even had customers remove there own tops and expect me to repair their damage at my cost. Several of my friends will only do repair work on a material and hours basis. They seem to do OK. I make every effort to stay away from repairs whenever possible. I never seem to be able to get enough money to make it worthwhile compared to new work.

Paul

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27 Oct 2008 07:24 AM  

I am doing a job now that required replacing a 20 yr old Corian job... the 3/4" stuff. There was this thick blue tile sitting on the backsplash, to which I explained about 3 different ways I would do the best I could but will not be responsible for ANY tile damage.  I explained all the risk, even offered to let them or anyone they knew to do the tear out.  They signed off.... I took out the top, which was heavily attached with liquid nails on every square inch of contact with the cabinets. One little place did chip, about 1/4" x 1/8". Now they are asking me how I plan to fix it.  He said no where in what he signed did it state I would leave the damage unfixed, only that damage might occur. That "he had me"  Humm...

    Since we talked about them living with a damaged tile, or it being their responsibiltiy to deal with it, I am so glad I had my tape recorder going that day. I don't think he knows I have him on tape. 


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27 Oct 2008 07:56 AM  
Posted By Kelsey Crisp on 27 Oct 2008 07:24 AM 

   Since we talked about them living with a damaged tile, or it being their responsibiltiy to deal with it, I am so glad I had my tape recorder going that day. I don't think he knows I have him on tape. 


Kelsey:

Your idea is a good one in 37 states including Kentucky. Unfortunately I live in Michigan, and both parties have to consent to being recorded:

http://www.content4reprint.com/legal/national,-state,-local/audio-recording-laws-in-the-us.htm

Joe

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I would terminate my exposure to "gotcha" type customers as soon as possible.

Heat not a furnace for your foe so hot That it do singe yourself. - William Shakespeare
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27 Oct 2008 12:14 PM  

Joe,

   I believe though ,if you have the voice recorder out in the open  for all to see, it is ok.

He has already called this morning and asked what my plans are. I told him I was returning his deposit, as he is someone I chose not to work for.  He hit the ceiling....  LOL....  and started screaming, so I hung up. he called back and said I could not hang up on him... so I did again. LOL.... 

Yep.... I said the Dow will go to 6000
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27 Oct 2008 01:31 PM  
Welcome All to the glamorous, high-paying world of repair contracting!! 

I could have warned you..... 
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27 Oct 2008 06:08 PM  
Joe, you are correct. Not only would it not be admissible, he would be arrested in Ct.
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27 Oct 2008 07:53 PM  

I admit it, I was wrong.

I wasn't wrong for using masking tape to cover the oak. I wasn't wrong to expect to be paid for fixing a mistake that wasn't mine.

I was wrong for expecting life and business to be fair. It isn't.

Ms. Fussycustomer called me today, she got her letter. She wants finish "B" and will only pay for same after she sees the results. It took me minutes to cave; I'm going back on Wednesday morning.

The bottom line is, I've got much more to lose than she does, especially on a job this small. One can only negotiate from a position of strength and leverage and I have neither.

How stupid of me not to recognize when I had an ass-kickin' coming. They are a cost of doing business and a statistical necessity. It's been a while since I've had one, hence my reluctance to recognize and accept the inevitable.

I'll expect you all to point this out right away next time.

Joe



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27 Oct 2008 08:37 PM  
Posted By Kowboy on 27 Oct 2008 07:53 PM

.................Ms. Fussycustomer called me today, she got her letter. She wants finish "B" and will only pay for same after she sees the results. It took me minutes to cave; I'm going back on Wednesday morning. ...............

Joe


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28 Oct 2008 12:35 AM  
If is disheartening to know that some customers want you to fail so they can get something they didn't pay for or don't deserve.

Another example of the Professional Customer.
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28 Oct 2008 10:58 AM  
Sorry to hear that you got yanked back out there, Joe. 

I hope you can make enough to at least cover the return trip.
I know it doesn't take much to financially bury jobs this small.  

At least you still have your good reputation, I guess.......  
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28 Oct 2008 11:10 AM  
You just can't afford some customers.  I think you said it before, Joe.  You never lost money on a job you didn't  get.  I think that is true, but it sure sucks being unemployed also.  Find the balance and do your best.

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29 Oct 2008 10:59 AM  

I spent 2 1/2 hours with drive time this morning creating finish "B" for my customer for no extra money.

She said she talked to a finisher who says I used the wrong masking tape. Maybe he knows more than 3M Corportation whose manufacturer's application instructions say I didn't by using 2090, Medium adhesion tape:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/painting_masking/painting_masking/product_information/tape_selector/

I stuck the tape to my sample and pressed it as hard as I could to get the finish to come off. It didn't budge. That's what happens when you properly prepare wood for finishing. So how's come her finish came off with tape and mine didn't if I used the wrong tape?

Of course she's still not completely happy and says she'll have to have the wood refiinshed for $300.00. Hell, I'd refinish the wood for $300.00. That's the problem, she didn't want to pay to repair her problem to begin with.

Joe

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29 Oct 2008 05:38 PM  
Joe,

Your story reminds me of the last residential job we did, about 8 years ago.  We were working on a custom home, and while I was visiting the site I had occasion to watch the homeowner relate to his grade school kids.  He was extremely hard on them, and no matter how hard they tried, they couldn't please him.  I should have taken a clue right then, right?

The project was very difficult, and it came out great.  Everyone who saw it liked it, except for Mr. Homeowner.  He couldn't see anything wrong with it, but he could "feel" something wrong.  There was a big dip in the center of the countertop that he could "feel when he got his hands wet and rubbed them over the top."  I'm not kidding about this.

I couldn't see any dip in the top, so I asked him to show it to me so we could identify the problem.  He pointed out the area, and I took a straightedge and laid it down in every direction to see if I was missing something.  There was no dip.  The homeowner was adamant that he didn't care what any straightedge showed, he knew what he could "feel."  I said no problem, we would refinish the tops (thinking maybe somehow he was feeling some difference in finishing that I couldn't detect.)  We spent an entire day refinishing all his tops, and he was still unhappy.

Unable to find anything to do to remedy the situation, I called the manufacturer's rep in and told the owner I would do anything the rep said was necessary, and this seemed to mollify the homeowner.  The rep came, I left so they could speak privately, and 15 minutes later the rep came out of the house and told me "That guy is crazy.  There is nothing wrong with the top or the finish, but I told him I would give you a technique to try and this "new technique" would probably take care of the problem.  It was a fabrication placebo.

We did it, the homeowner wasn't "completely satisfied" but he was happier, having had the attention of the manufacturer's rep.  It seemed to make him happy that the manufacturer had come out and "forced us" to use a new technique.

Here's the kicker:  I knew the homeowner, because we both attended the same church  (I just didn't know what he was really like.)  That project was so stressful that right then and there we decided never to take another residential job.

Sure, there are some commercial project managers and superintendents who can be hard to please, but I have NEVER regretted leaving residential behind.  You guys who know how to handle residential customers...my hat is off to you!
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29 Oct 2008 10:05 PM  

This sounds like a job for the skewed dishwasher!

What,  you say.   Some customers just have to have the feeling of satifaction over YOU.    On the occasion we had this type of " P I A "   I would leave the dishwasher slightly crooked.     " Oh My, you are right , that is crooked,  let me fix it right now"   Here's the invoice.

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29 Oct 2008 10:31 PM  
i have only done a few commercial jobs in the last 13 years and i love doing them. i have only had a hand full of customers like that one i had to deal with for over a year. he even showed up at a home show and interrupted a presentation i was doing to tell every one that the work i did at his house was not that great. this was after rep's from lowes and dupont had inspected his tops and told him it was fine. on one visit to the house i pulled up just as his daughter in her 20's came out of the house crying one of my guys asked her what was wrong and she told him she just got in trouble for not arranging the pillows on her bed properly. lows gave them a free top just to shut them up. and that did not even work finally we all just agreed to ignore them and they went away.
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30 Oct 2008 09:12 AM  

Eli:

It's some comfort to hear from you, Len an Kelsey that I'm not alone when this happens.

Thanks,

Joe

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03 Nov 2008 08:29 PM  
Oh no Joe, you are not alone in this.  We deal with residential customers all the time.  That is what our specialty is.  We get some of these customers all the time and it is not anything the contractor is doing.   I think a lot of what happens is the reputation of the contractors in general tend to put us behind the eight ball before we even get started.
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04 Nov 2008 11:02 AM  

Yea, us too Joe.

I must say that I have gotten better at this, though. There have been some customers that make themselves apparent before we even get started. We simply let them know that we respectfully are going to decline to business with them and that we reserve the right.

You should see their face......"What do you mean?!!"   "Well, what I mean is, after watching you interact with the other contractors here, I can plainly see that you are an acrimonious customer and that you are looking to get more than you are willing to pay for..." 

They are either speechless or promptly throw me out. Either way, problem solved before it costs too much.  

We will bend over backwards for good business. Couldn't care less about about bad business. They can keep it.....

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